Comments on: Brady Quinn Enjoys Riding Escalators http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/ A blog for sports agents: Discussing sports business news, Sports Law, and other interesting sports related material Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:32:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: zak http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42526 zak Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:14:21 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42526 Brave Sir Robin- I think you are a little quick to dismiss Quinn as the future QB of the Browns. He played in an NFL type system in college under Charlie Weis and suceeded in it. Not to mention, he had preseason Heisman hope and lived up to those expectations all year. I don't think he is a greedy little scrub, he is guaranteed less than $10 million, if he is a bust he will not get paid big bucks. I didnt know all the facts about Condon being self-centered in his negotiations, he sounds like a big time, cocky agent, who wants things done on HIS time, which is no way to get things done. Too bad for Quinn that Condon represents him, but he did just get him the $$$ he was looking for, and that means he did his job. Brave Sir Robin- I think you are a little quick to dismiss Quinn as the future QB of the Browns. He played in an NFL type system in college under Charlie Weis and suceeded in it. Not to mention, he had preseason Heisman hope and lived up to those expectations all year. I don’t think he is a greedy little scrub, he is guaranteed less than $10 million, if he is a bust he will not get paid big bucks. I didnt know all the facts about Condon being self-centered in his negotiations, he sounds like a big time, cocky agent, who wants things done on HIS time, which is no way to get things done. Too bad for Quinn that Condon represents him, but he did just get him the $$$ he was looking for, and that means he did his job.

]]> By: Jason S. http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42523 Jason S. Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:36:45 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42523 Yeah, like Brave Sir Robin's saying, this isn't the Cardinals or Raiders (teams that are generally known for being a little cheap with draft picks); the Browns overpaid Thomas and Wright to get them into camp on time. I'll cut Condon some slack because he had other, higher draft picks that needed their contracts done...but he's had all his guys BUT Quinn signed for like a week, and yet was still unable to give the team time to discuss the deal. To me, that's the issue; if you can't work something out in negotiations, that's different from refusing to negotiate in the first place. Yeah, like Brave Sir Robin’s saying, this isn’t the Cardinals or Raiders (teams that are generally known for being a little cheap with draft picks); the Browns overpaid Thomas and Wright to get them into camp on time. I’ll cut Condon some slack because he had other, higher draft picks that needed their contracts done…but he’s had all his guys BUT Quinn signed for like a week, and yet was still unable to give the team time to discuss the deal.

To me, that’s the issue; if you can’t work something out in negotiations, that’s different from refusing to negotiate in the first place.

]]> By: Brave Sir Robin http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42521 Brave Sir Robin Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:18:51 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42521 A major sticking point for the Browns was when that 70% kicker would go in. Quinn (& Condon, but, from here on out, I'll just say Quinn) wanted it to be for any year, whereas the Browns said it should only be for the third year. That seems to be a reasonable request on the Browns' part because if he's a flop his third year, they don't want to have to pay his higher salary (yeah they could cut him, but then they lose him sooner and he may just be a late bloomer). Also, the Browns have been incredibly fair with their players regarding contracts. When Winslow acted like a fool and destroyed his knee, instead of nuking his contract and costing Winslow the money without recourse, the Browns put it back into the contract in terms of incentives. They recoup some of their losses if he never performs but they give him a chance to redeem himself (and he has quite admirably). With that in mind, Quinn's holdout looks pretty much like him being a greedy little scrub. Charlie Frye isn't the answer and Quinn probably won't be either. So the Browns overpaid for the self-entitled jackass. A major sticking point for the Browns was when that 70% kicker would go in. Quinn (& Condon, but, from here on out, I’ll just say Quinn) wanted it to be for any year, whereas the Browns said it should only be for the third year. That seems to be a reasonable request on the Browns’ part because if he’s a flop his third year, they don’t want to have to pay his higher salary (yeah they could cut him, but then they lose him sooner and he may just be a late bloomer).

Also, the Browns have been incredibly fair with their players regarding contracts. When Winslow acted like a fool and destroyed his knee, instead of nuking his contract and costing Winslow the money without recourse, the Browns put it back into the contract in terms of incentives. They recoup some of their losses if he never performs but they give him a chance to redeem himself (and he has quite admirably).

With that in mind, Quinn’s holdout looks pretty much like him being a greedy little scrub. Charlie Frye isn’t the answer and Quinn probably won’t be either. So the Browns overpaid for the self-entitled jackass.

]]> By: Jason S. http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42520 Jason S. Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:15:45 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42520 While the concept of the escalators is fair, the fact of the matter is that the Browns were more than willing to get a deal done. The holdout seemed like a holdout for the sake of holding out, with Condon supposedly not taking Phil Savage's calls and then asking the Browns to fly to Kansas City in the middle of training camp to hammer out a deal. To me, that's a bigger issue; there wasn't any reason Condon needed two extra weeks to do this deal, especially when Quinn ultimately got the same deal that Leinart and Leftwich got. While the concept of the escalators is fair, the fact of the matter is that the Browns were more than willing to get a deal done. The holdout seemed like a holdout for the sake of holding out, with Condon supposedly not taking Phil Savage’s calls and then asking the Browns to fly to Kansas City in the middle of training camp to hammer out a deal. To me, that’s a bigger issue; there wasn’t any reason Condon needed two extra weeks to do this deal, especially when Quinn ultimately got the same deal that Leinart and Leftwich got.

]]> By: Chris S. http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42496 Chris S. Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:18:13 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42496 Tom Condon did in my mind a great job for Brady, he will deffinately make his fare share with this contract (trust me i follow the browns and quinn will be starting sooner rather that later). Tom Condon did in my mind a great job for Brady, he will deffinately make his fare share with this contract (trust me i follow the browns and quinn will be starting sooner rather that later).

]]> By: zak http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42495 zak Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:12:31 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42495 I think Brady and his agent may have caught some undeserved bad press for this one. The escalators are fair because if Brady is leading this team, he should be paid like the leader of the team. It's plain and simple, if Brady becomes the player that the Browns want him to be, he will be paid instantly, avoiding a possible holdout like we see with LJ in KC. Quarterback in the NFL is the hardest position in sports, the Browns should be lucky to have a potential franchise QB on their roster, after faultering last season with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson. Good move by both sides, and especially by Condon for protecting the future interests of his man. I think Brady and his agent may have caught some undeserved bad press for this one. The escalators are fair because if Brady is leading this team, he should be paid like the leader of the team. It’s plain and simple, if Brady becomes the player that the Browns want him to be, he will be paid instantly, avoiding a possible holdout like we see with LJ in KC. Quarterback in the NFL is the hardest position in sports, the Browns should be lucky to have a potential franchise QB on their roster, after faultering last season with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson. Good move by both sides, and especially by Condon for protecting the future interests of his man.

]]> By: Joe I. http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2007/08/08/brady-quinn-enjoys-riding-escalators/comment-page-1/#comment-42489 Joe I. Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:47:42 +0000 http://www.dhpromo.com/blog/?p=622#comment-42489 A good deal for Tommy and Brady. The incentives are something that should be easy to reach barring significant injury. The max is in line with the #9 pick. A good deal for Tommy and Brady. The incentives are something that should be easy to reach barring significant injury. The max is in line with the #9 pick.

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