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		<title>By: Wally</title>
		<link>http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/07/22/interview-with-the-agent-leland-hardy/#comment-84848</link>
		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jealousy... yes that is it.  see below for article published by Sports Business Journal

Published April 28, 2008 : Page 75The Ricky Williams contract

In 1999, the industry was buzzing about one of the worst contracts ever crafted for an elite athlete: the rookie deal for New Orleans Saints running back Ricky Williams, negotiated by Leland Hardy of No Limit Sports, the upstart firm owned by rapper Master P. The incentive-laden, eight-year deal was worth as little as $11.6 million and as much as $68.5 million. The problem? Williams would have to be one of the best running backs in NFL history to collect the full value of the contract. In 2003, Williams fired No Limit and signed with veteran NFL agent Leigh Steinberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jealousy&#8230; yes that is it.  see below for article published by Sports Business Journal</p>
<p>Published April 28, 2008 : Page 75The Ricky Williams contract</p>
<p>In 1999, the industry was buzzing about one of the worst contracts ever crafted for an elite athlete: the rookie deal for New Orleans Saints running back Ricky Williams, negotiated by Leland Hardy of No Limit Sports, the upstart firm owned by rapper Master P. The incentive-laden, eight-year deal was worth as little as $11.6 million and as much as $68.5 million. The problem? Williams would have to be one of the best running backs in NFL history to collect the full value of the contract. In 2003, Williams fired No Limit and signed with veteran NFL agent Leigh Steinberg.</p>
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		<title>By: DeJuan Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/07/22/interview-with-the-agent-leland-hardy/#comment-84844</link>
		<dc:creator>DeJuan Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wally
fair enough man but I am approaching contract negotiations from the point of view of Eric Carter&#039;s post. 
 
Disclaimer:  I am a Sports marketing specialist who has a separate Sports Risk Management practice . I will be moving into representing players in about 18 months. Because I am biased to &quot;alternate&quot; forms of income for my clients incentive laden contracts should be the norm to me.

Back on post----  Data I am referring to would be information from independent sources outside of our industry. In our industry, the &quot;big boys&quot; think that Heisman Trophy winners should lay down at their feet. They don&#039;t like a &quot;new jack&quot; coming in and changing the rules. So they will discredit a newby because they are SORE LOSERS.  Most competitors are. 

There is a new generation of agents that are HUNGRY but not GLUTTONOUS. 
Here we come......

PS..Steinberg cares about concussions because his clients were prone to it.  He had a QB client on every roster one year! He even had all 3 QB&#039;s at Pittsburgh(Kordell&#039;s 4th year I believe). He has never been vilfied like Leland ..never called greedy as an indvidual agent....The media refers to the &quot;agent industry&quot; as being greedy when they talk about some and vilify the Carl Postons and Bill Duffy&#039;s.  Food for thought.
If you wanna discuss 901-351-8752 or see me on LINKED IN

again Darren --Keep up the good work man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wally<br />
fair enough man but I am approaching contract negotiations from the point of view of Eric Carter&#8217;s post. </p>
<p>Disclaimer:  I am a Sports marketing specialist who has a separate Sports Risk Management practice . I will be moving into representing players in about 18 months. Because I am biased to &#8220;alternate&#8221; forms of income for my clients incentive laden contracts should be the norm to me.</p>
<p>Back on post&#8212;-  Data I am referring to would be information from independent sources outside of our industry. In our industry, the &#8220;big boys&#8221; think that Heisman Trophy winners should lay down at their feet. They don&#8217;t like a &#8220;new jack&#8221; coming in and changing the rules. So they will discredit a newby because they are SORE LOSERS.  Most competitors are. </p>
<p>There is a new generation of agents that are HUNGRY but not GLUTTONOUS.<br />
Here we come&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>PS..Steinberg cares about concussions because his clients were prone to it.  He had a QB client on every roster one year! He even had all 3 QB&#8217;s at Pittsburgh(Kordell&#8217;s 4th year I believe). He has never been vilfied like Leland ..never called greedy as an indvidual agent&#8230;.The media refers to the &#8220;agent industry&#8221; as being greedy when they talk about some and vilify the Carl Postons and Bill Duffy&#8217;s.  Food for thought.<br />
If you wanna discuss 901-351-8752 or see me on LINKED IN</p>
<p>again Darren &#8211;Keep up the good work man</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/07/22/interview-with-the-agent-leland-hardy/#comment-84831</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh...did I hear somebody say jealousy?  Here we are, literally ten years later, and the Wally Gators, and the InSideTheLeagues, or whatever phony names these guys hide behind to post anonymous comments want to call themselves, can&#039;t get over a New Jack coming into their world and teaching them a new way to do things.  I&#039;m here in North Carolina football country itchin&#039; for the season to start and I can only wish that more guys with the balls, guts, and brains of a Hardy would come to the table and maybe we wouldn&#039;t have our sport compromised by so many prima donna ball players who could care less about winning.  Pay for play.  Legends like Jim Brown would have had it no other way.  Hardy, if you happen to see this, way to go and please come back to the biz!  The NFL needs you.
 
Eric Carter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230;did I hear somebody say jealousy?  Here we are, literally ten years later, and the Wally Gators, and the InSideTheLeagues, or whatever phony names these guys hide behind to post anonymous comments want to call themselves, can&#8217;t get over a New Jack coming into their world and teaching them a new way to do things.  I&#8217;m here in North Carolina football country itchin&#8217; for the season to start and I can only wish that more guys with the balls, guts, and brains of a Hardy would come to the table and maybe we wouldn&#8217;t have our sport compromised by so many prima donna ball players who could care less about winning.  Pay for play.  Legends like Jim Brown would have had it no other way.  Hardy, if you happen to see this, way to go and please come back to the biz!  The NFL needs you.</p>
<p>Eric Carter</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeJaun  -  I stand corrected on the word use of ALL.  I just felt it was cheap shot to other agents saying they only represent these guys because they can make money off of them and would otherwise have nothing to do with them.    Ricky did sign with Steinberg who makes his clients give money to charity and as reported on this blog is worried about the concussion problem in the NFL.  What data are you looking for?

Louis - I was cutting and pasting the article to show what Edge made his rookie year as compared to Ricky.
The contract got worse after Ricky&#039;s rookie year.

Guys - Call up any agent that was working in the late 90&#039;s and they will tell you it was one of the worst deals of all time.  I believe the NLFPA actually looked into the deal because it was so bad.  In addition, for any agent or want to be agent to read that  Leland blames the media for their down fall is laughable.  Boras and Rosenhaus are vilified in the media all the time and still retain and land top players every year.  

Many questions are repeatedly asked on this blog - How do I get into this industry???  Having a ton of cash - Which No Limits had.  - Connection to a top player which they had.  And they blew it with that contract.

I have no axe to grind with Leland.  If anything, this article and sudsequent post should be looked at as a learning tool.

thanks 
wally</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeJaun  &#8211;  I stand corrected on the word use of ALL.  I just felt it was cheap shot to other agents saying they only represent these guys because they can make money off of them and would otherwise have nothing to do with them.    Ricky did sign with Steinberg who makes his clients give money to charity and as reported on this blog is worried about the concussion problem in the NFL.  What data are you looking for?</p>
<p>Louis &#8211; I was cutting and pasting the article to show what Edge made his rookie year as compared to Ricky.<br />
The contract got worse after Ricky&#8217;s rookie year.</p>
<p>Guys &#8211; Call up any agent that was working in the late 90&#8242;s and they will tell you it was one of the worst deals of all time.  I believe the NLFPA actually looked into the deal because it was so bad.  In addition, for any agent or want to be agent to read that  Leland blames the media for their down fall is laughable.  Boras and Rosenhaus are vilified in the media all the time and still retain and land top players every year.  </p>
<p>Many questions are repeatedly asked on this blog &#8211; How do I get into this industry???  Having a ton of cash &#8211; Which No Limits had.  &#8211; Connection to a top player which they had.  And they blew it with that contract.</p>
<p>I have no axe to grind with Leland.  If anything, this article and sudsequent post should be looked at as a learning tool.</p>
<p>thanks<br />
wally</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A  fantastic interview.   Keep up the good work.

Jen Thomas
Muvar Software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  fantastic interview.   Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Jen Thomas<br />
Muvar Software</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Penn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a member of the &quot;lay public&quot; that was admittedly duped by the media onslaught that Mr. Hardy referred to in his interview.  I&#039;m no genius, but it would certainly seem to me that the nay sayers who have dominated your blog posts and who have seemingly ganged up on you, the interviewer, succumbed to the same disinformation campaign that Mr. Hardy referred to.  To say that you should have asked Mr. Hardy why he was &quot;fired&quot; by Ricky Williams is evidentiary of that and his naiveté in general and about the business in particular.  In sports, especially in football, agent agreements are non-binding and players can go from agent to agent at will just by telling their agent &quot;I&#039;ve decided to use the services of another party.&quot;  If Ricky himself, and those in his inner circle, succumbed to all of the noise out there, it&#039;s understandable that he might have been infected by the media&#039;s very effective poisoning.  Moreover, the party that posted a cut &amp; paste of a nearly decade old article on the matter from the disinformation campaign strategists&#039; very playbook, is obviously obsessed with this issue and quite possibly obsessed with Mr. Hardy himself. 
 
Incidentally, I don&#039;t hide behind phony names like the readers of your blog who ganged up on you.  My name is Louis Penn and I&#039;m a rabid Eagles fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a member of the &#8220;lay public&#8221; that was admittedly duped by the media onslaught that Mr. Hardy referred to in his interview.  I&#8217;m no genius, but it would certainly seem to me that the nay sayers who have dominated your blog posts and who have seemingly ganged up on you, the interviewer, succumbed to the same disinformation campaign that Mr. Hardy referred to.  To say that you should have asked Mr. Hardy why he was &#8220;fired&#8221; by Ricky Williams is evidentiary of that and his naiveté in general and about the business in particular.  In sports, especially in football, agent agreements are non-binding and players can go from agent to agent at will just by telling their agent &#8220;I&#8217;ve decided to use the services of another party.&#8221;  If Ricky himself, and those in his inner circle, succumbed to all of the noise out there, it&#8217;s understandable that he might have been infected by the media&#8217;s very effective poisoning.  Moreover, the party that posted a cut &amp; paste of a nearly decade old article on the matter from the disinformation campaign strategists&#8217; very playbook, is obviously obsessed with this issue and quite possibly obsessed with Mr. Hardy himself. </p>
<p>Incidentally, I don&#8217;t hide behind phony names like the readers of your blog who ganged up on you.  My name is Louis Penn and I&#8217;m a rabid Eagles fan.</p>
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		<title>By: DeJuan Hendricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeJuan Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off.
Darren great blog and continue on your endeavors. 

Next
@Wally
Explain to me how he implied that ALL agents were racists. We would be foolish to think that what he says to applies to everyone but we would be cowards if we denied it ever happens. If you think it was a bad deal and your name happens to Ricky Williams then you definiely have a right to say this guy is a joke.  
(If you are Ricky-Man stay off the sauce!) 
Otherwise give me the statistical data that disputes what he says.  Some of the same talking heads he spoke always lament how &quot;certain&quot; athletes don&#039;t have &quot;heart&quot;, &quot;work ethic&quot;, and &quot;moxey&quot; but crucified this guy for having his player EARN his money. 
In short, we are paid to represent our clients interests contractually but we need to represent them beyond what we are getting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off.<br />
Darren great blog and continue on your endeavors. </p>
<p>Next<br />
@Wally<br />
Explain to me how he implied that ALL agents were racists. We would be foolish to think that what he says to applies to everyone but we would be cowards if we denied it ever happens. If you think it was a bad deal and your name happens to Ricky Williams then you definiely have a right to say this guy is a joke.<br />
(If you are Ricky-Man stay off the sauce!)<br />
Otherwise give me the statistical data that disputes what he says.  Some of the same talking heads he spoke always lament how &#8220;certain&#8221; athletes don&#8217;t have &#8220;heart&#8221;, &#8220;work ethic&#8221;, and &#8220;moxey&#8221; but crucified this guy for having his player EARN his money.<br />
In short, we are paid to represent our clients interests contractually but we need to represent them beyond what we are getting.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren

I agree with -insidetheleague.com- thanks for the follow up question to leland.


- wally</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren</p>
<p>I agree with -insidetheleague.com- thanks for the follow up question to leland.</p>
<p>- wally</p>
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		<title>By: insidetheleague.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>insidetheleague.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work on asking the question, Darren, and I appreciate the follow. Unfortunately, Hardy apparently still has no real answer for how bad that deal was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work on asking the question, Darren, and I appreciate the follow. Unfortunately, Hardy apparently still has no real answer for how bad that deal was.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe a nice follow up question would have been after that BS answer would be &#039;Then why did he fire you?&#039;

Also, very unprofessional for Leland to basically imply that all agents are racists.
What is also very funny is that No Limit and Leland did not even do Ricky&#039;s marketing.  They farmed that out to the so called &#039;old guard&#039; of the business.  

Also should have been asked, &#039;Was this same media that gave you 11 minutes of promotion on OTL?




New Orleans Saints running back, Ricky Williams terminated his relationship with controversial agent Leland Hardy of No Limit Sports and retained Leigh Steinberg as his new agent. Hardy negotiated a now-infamous rookie contract for Williams, which was long on incentives clauses, but short on base salary. 

Williams&#039; contract with the Saints contained an $8.8 million singing bonus, with the remainder of the $68.4 million deal based mostly on incentives [click here]. Due to injuries and overall poor team play, Williams reached only one of his incentives and collected just $3.8 million in his rookie year. Most of the incentives in Williams&#039; deal are triggered upon reaching 1,600 rushing yards in a season, a very high standard. 

Williams become one of several professional athletes to recently sever ties with No Limit Sports, the athletic representation agency created by rapper Master P. [click here] 

Alternative Approach

Steinberg also represents Edgerrin James, the Indianapolis Colts running back chosen prior to Williams in last year&#039;s NFL draft. Steinberg negotiated a more attainable, staggered incentive based contract for James, which allowed the rookie to collect $14.8 million last season. Williams and Steinberg are not strangers, as previously Jeff Moorad, an associate of Steinberg, represented Williams while under a minor-league baseball contract with the Philadelphia Phillies. Steinberg often renegotiates his client&#039;s contracts and has done so for NFL quarterbacks Troy Aikman and Steve Young. According to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, however, the Saints do have a good relationship with Steinberg, but any renegotiation talks will not take place until after next season.

Steinberg, who forbids his first-year clients to enter into endorsement contracts, will ask Williams to cancel his local advertisement commitments. Also, Williams will not be allowed to talk with reporters while wearing his helmet, which was his common practice last season during his weekly interviews. The Times-Picayune reports that Steinberg is primarily interested in both establishing Williams as a top NFL running back and in cleansing William&#039;s tarnished image, which was only exacerbated by the player&#039;s comments in a recent Sports Illustrated article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe a nice follow up question would have been after that BS answer would be &#8216;Then why did he fire you?&#8217;</p>
<p>Also, very unprofessional for Leland to basically imply that all agents are racists.<br />
What is also very funny is that No Limit and Leland did not even do Ricky&#8217;s marketing.  They farmed that out to the so called &#8216;old guard&#8217; of the business.  </p>
<p>Also should have been asked, &#8216;Was this same media that gave you 11 minutes of promotion on OTL?</p>
<p>New Orleans Saints running back, Ricky Williams terminated his relationship with controversial agent Leland Hardy of No Limit Sports and retained Leigh Steinberg as his new agent. Hardy negotiated a now-infamous rookie contract for Williams, which was long on incentives clauses, but short on base salary. </p>
<p>Williams&#8217; contract with the Saints contained an $8.8 million singing bonus, with the remainder of the $68.4 million deal based mostly on incentives [click here]. Due to injuries and overall poor team play, Williams reached only one of his incentives and collected just $3.8 million in his rookie year. Most of the incentives in Williams&#8217; deal are triggered upon reaching 1,600 rushing yards in a season, a very high standard. </p>
<p>Williams become one of several professional athletes to recently sever ties with No Limit Sports, the athletic representation agency created by rapper Master P. [click here] </p>
<p>Alternative Approach</p>
<p>Steinberg also represents Edgerrin James, the Indianapolis Colts running back chosen prior to Williams in last year&#8217;s NFL draft. Steinberg negotiated a more attainable, staggered incentive based contract for James, which allowed the rookie to collect $14.8 million last season. Williams and Steinberg are not strangers, as previously Jeff Moorad, an associate of Steinberg, represented Williams while under a minor-league baseball contract with the Philadelphia Phillies. Steinberg often renegotiates his client&#8217;s contracts and has done so for NFL quarterbacks Troy Aikman and Steve Young. According to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, however, the Saints do have a good relationship with Steinberg, but any renegotiation talks will not take place until after next season.</p>
<p>Steinberg, who forbids his first-year clients to enter into endorsement contracts, will ask Williams to cancel his local advertisement commitments. Also, Williams will not be allowed to talk with reporters while wearing his helmet, which was his common practice last season during his weekly interviews. The Times-Picayune reports that Steinberg is primarily interested in both establishing Williams as a top NFL running back and in cleansing William&#8217;s tarnished image, which was only exacerbated by the player&#8217;s comments in a recent Sports Illustrated article.</p>
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