Comments on: The Millers: Andre and Andy http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/ A blog for sports agents: Discussing sports business news, Sports Law, and other interesting sports related material Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:43:34 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: kaliesha west http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-98037 kaliesha west Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:31:03 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-98037 completely off topic, but I'm very impressed with the knowledge Austin Walton bring as far as "behind the scenes of sports" ... I'm in need of a sports agent myself ... Also see www.kaystar.net or www.myspace.com/prokaywest thankyou all for your time, hope one can help... K"Wild Wild"West kaystar2u@hotmail.com completely off topic, but I’m very impressed with the knowledge Austin Walton bring as far as “behind the scenes of sports” … I’m in need of a sports agent myself … Also see
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]]> By: John Sikma http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-96468 John Sikma Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:06:42 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-96468 Thanks a lot Austin and Jackson for engaging in this analysis. I am still confused. Those are extensions for rookies. I think you are right - Chris Paul and Deron Williams will get that type of money, but over 3-4 years. I am hoping you and Darren can pleaes help answer this in a little more detail if you have time. I don't think Andre is eligible to sign such an extension. My friend keeps telling me Andre won't get much money on the free agent market because of his age. And I think that he might be better to sign an extension now for security. I found tons of rules in the CBA but I am not smart enough to figure out how they apply to Andre's situation, but I know that there are limits on the years and increase (what he can start at) for an extension as a veteran, as opposed to a free agent deal. Thus, what is the max extension that Andre (who is not coming off a rookie scale deal) can sign? I am specifically looking for the years and max salary each year which would give us a total. Thanks again. I think these types of questions are what this site should really encourage. Thanks a lot Austin and Jackson for engaging in this analysis. I am still confused. Those are extensions for rookies. I think you are right – Chris Paul and Deron Williams will get that type of money, but over 3-4 years. I am hoping you and Darren can pleaes help answer this in a little more detail if you have time. I don’t think Andre is eligible to sign such an extension. My friend keeps telling me Andre won’t get much money on the free agent market because of his age. And I think that he might be better to sign an extension now for security. I found tons of rules in the CBA but I am not smart enough to figure out how they apply to Andre’s situation, but I know that there are limits on the years and increase (what he can start at) for an extension as a veteran, as opposed to a free agent deal. Thus, what is the max extension that Andre (who is not coming off a rookie scale deal) can sign? I am specifically looking for the years and max salary each year which would give us a total. Thanks again. I think these types of questions are what this site should really encourage.

]]> By: Austin Walton http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-96463 Austin Walton Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:14:35 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-96463 The max contract for a player signing an extension is 5 yrs. $85 million. Miller will not get that type of money however. He is a good player,b ut def. not a max player. Those types of deals are regulated to the Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, LeBron James types. I hope that answers your question. The max contract for a player signing an extension is 5 yrs. $85 million. Miller will not get that type of money however. He is a good player,b ut def. not a max player. Those types of deals are regulated to the Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, LeBron James types. I hope that answers your question.

]]> By: Jackson Waterloo http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-96429 Jackson Waterloo Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:25:08 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-96429 Darren, any update on the MIller question me and John Sikma (Jack's brother?) asked about the value, years (and not just hypothetical value) of an extension under the rules? Thanks. Darren, any update on the MIller question me and John Sikma (Jack’s brother?) asked about the value, years (and not just hypothetical value) of an extension under the rules? Thanks.

]]> By: John Sikma http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-95742 John Sikma Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:47:23 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-95742 Thanks. But, maybe I am not asking my question correctly. Iguodala and Deng did NOT sign extensions. They were restricted free agents. This is a big difference. Both of those players decided to not sign extensions last off-season and both ended up with better deals than they were offered, right? This is a big consideration I think for a player like Andre (extension vs. waiting to become a free agent, and the risks and rewards that goes with that decision). Darren, can you possibly help us out? My main interest is what is the maximum contract extension that Andre can sign (not a free agent deal) under the rules? Thanks. But, maybe I am not asking my question correctly. Iguodala and Deng did NOT sign extensions. They were restricted free agents. This is a big difference. Both of those players decided to not sign extensions last off-season and both ended up with better deals than they were offered, right? This is a big consideration I think for a player like Andre (extension vs. waiting to become a free agent, and the risks and rewards that goes with that decision). Darren, can you possibly help us out? My main interest is what is the maximum contract extension that Andre can sign (not a free agent deal) under the rules?

]]> By: Austin Walton http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-95692 Austin Walton Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:42:26 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-95692 John, have you seen the extensions that Igudala, Deng etc. have signed and the offer that has recently been tendered to Ben Gordon? They are all in the same salary range. John, have you seen the extensions that Igudala, Deng etc. have signed and the offer that has recently been tendered to Ben Gordon? They are all in the same salary range.

]]> By: John Sikma http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-95665 John Sikma Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:43:17 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-95665 I just looked up some rules on the nbpa.com website and I am not sure but I think that is not correct Austin. Can Andre sign a 6-year extension? How can he make $12 million a year in an extension? Are there no limits on the years and value of the extension? I just saw a CBA rule about a player's age and am trying to break that down. As an agent, do you need to know about this stuff? Thanks for taking the time to engage in this dialogue? This is what most people interested in agents need to probably know (Andy MIller said he needed time to do his due diligence). I just looked up some rules on the nbpa.com website and I am not sure but I think that is not correct Austin. Can Andre sign a 6-year extension? How can he make $12 million a year in an extension? Are there no limits on the years and value of the extension? I just saw a CBA rule about a player’s age and am trying to break that down. As an agent, do you need to know about this stuff? Thanks for taking the time to engage in this dialogue? This is what most people interested in agents need to probably know (Andy MIller said he needed time to do his due diligence).

]]> By: Austin Walton http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-95646 Austin Walton Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:49:50 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-95646 Same rules would apply to Andre Miller in regards to him and the 76ers, as it pertains to them being able to use their Larry Bird Rights to retain him. I would say that he makes in the $10-$12 million per year range via extension or on the free agent market (if he goes to a team with cap room). Same rules would apply to Andre Miller in regards to him and the 76ers, as it pertains to them being able to use their Larry Bird Rights to retain him. I would say that he makes in the $10-$12 million per year range via extension or on the free agent market (if he goes to a team with cap room).

]]> By: Jackson Waterloo http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-95625 Jackson Waterloo Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:27:08 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-95625 Thanks, Austin. Your analysis is very helpful. What about an extension, meaning that Andre would sign an extension this season and not become a free agent? What can that contract look like? This would help determine if it is better to wait and become a free agent? Or do the same rules as above apply (the bird rights, length of extension, etc.)? Thanks. Thanks, Austin. Your analysis is very helpful. What about an extension, meaning that Andre would sign an extension this season and not become a free agent? What can that contract look like? This would help determine if it is better to wait and become a free agent? Or do the same rules as above apply (the bird rights, length of extension, etc.)? Thanks.

]]> By: Austin Walton http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2008/09/24/the-millers-andre-and-andy/comment-page-1/#comment-95623 Austin Walton Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:06:44 +0000 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=2343#comment-95623 It really depends on if he re-signs with the 76ers or not. If so, the 76ers who can utilize their Bird Rights could essentially sign Miller for up to 6 years and the 76ers can go over the cap to pay him. If he signs with another team outright he can only sign for 5 yrs. and the team cannot go over the cap to sign, unless he takes their MLE. Saying that only a handful of teams will be under the cap next year, I would imagine him staying in Philly or having to take the almost $6 million a year from a contending team that only has the MLE to offer. However, given his age (32) and the history of points guards production after the age of 35 years old. I would imagine Miller's worth to be in the ballpark of 4 yrs. $40-$48 million. But, due to his strong play and being a pillar in the locker room and community I would imagine Andy Miller wanting and probably recieving a contract in the range of 5 yrs. $55-$60. What Andre Miller brings to a team is invaluable and does not always show up in the scorebook, not to mention Louis Williams is not ready to be their starting PG yet. He is more of a moring point or 2G at this point in his career. Also, Philly has so many young players they need his veteran leadership in the clubhouse if they want to contend for a playoff spot. Miller is a top 10 PG right now and it looks like he plans on getting paid like it. It really depends on if he re-signs with the 76ers or not. If so, the 76ers who can utilize their Bird Rights could essentially sign Miller for up to 6 years and the 76ers can go over the cap to pay him. If he signs with another team outright he can only sign for 5 yrs. and the team cannot go over the cap to sign, unless he takes their MLE. Saying that only a handful of teams will be under the cap next year, I would imagine him staying in Philly or having to take the almost $6 million a year from a contending team that only has the MLE to offer. However, given his age (32) and the history of points guards production after the age of 35 years old. I would imagine Miller’s worth to be in the ballpark of 4 yrs. $40-$48 million. But, due to his strong play and being a pillar in the locker room and community I would imagine Andy Miller wanting and probably recieving a contract in the range of 5 yrs. $55-$60. What Andre Miller brings to a team is invaluable and does not always show up in the scorebook, not to mention Louis Williams is not ready to be their starting PG yet. He is more of a moring point or 2G at this point in his career. Also, Philly has so many young players they need his veteran leadership in the clubhouse if they want to contend for a playoff spot. Miller is a top 10 PG right now and it looks like he plans on getting paid like it.

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