Are you deliberatly being difficult on that point, or do you not understand that the original offer also contained deferred money?

And do you not see that the 2/45 deal Manny received was grossly more than anyone else offered him? From the stories that were out there, he didn’t have any other offers. Sounds like Boras pulled off a heist to keep the Dodgers at 2/45. Look around at the other deals that were handed out around baseball for corner outfielders. No one else came close to getting what Manny got.

Randy Wolf isn’t Manny Ramirez. It’s arugable that Manny is worth $45 mil, but not getting more, which Boras clients usually do, is the difference.

And you don’t think Bartelstein meeting with a division rival didn’t have some kind of meaning behind it. I’m sure the 49ers had an interest, as I’m sure other teams did too, but the Cardinals also had an interest in the 49ers having an interest.

The report does say that the NPV is less than 45 million, but it doesn’t say that it is between “1.5 to 3 million less than the original Dodger offer.”

So explain to me again how Boras cost Manny money? Seems to me that the market collapsed this year and yet, somehow, despite no other serious bidders for Manny, Boras still managed to pull off $45 million over 2 years. The Dodgers probably could have dropped their offer and still would have had the highest bid. Seems that Boras probably did a nice job keeping the same dollars on the table from back in November. Many baseball players weren’t so lucky with the offers that were once on the table way back at the beginning of the off-season (see Randy Wolf).

And did Bartelstein “create” another bidder, or was there actually another bidder?

Rijo,
Here’s the link: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9289376/How-did-McCourts-beat-the-mighty-Boras?

Bartelstein created another bidder for Warner. Arizona was the only place that had a chance to sign him. That’s why he did a better job. You’re telling me Boras couldn’t create some kind of scenario that had him going to another team and caused the media to go crazy and the Dodgers to re-think their offer. If the Dodgers didn’t sign Ramirez it would have been a huge blow to the organization. Boras couldn’t find some way to scare them into paying more money sooner? He’s done it in the past.

Your cheap shot at Boras is nothing more than pointing out that you, as an agent, have more leverage if there is another team in the picture bidding up the price of the player. I find it hard to believe that the situation you describe above leaves Bartelstein as a superior negotiator in this circumstance. You’re merely trying to compare apples to oranges and declare oranges the victor based on your own subjective criteria.

Also, can you point me to the article where Kreigel gives the NPV of the deal now as compared to the deal that was offered back in November? All I can find is the article where he states that the money offered in November was also deferred.

Reports throughout free agency were that the Cardinals wanted to pay Warner approximately $10 million per year, while Warner was looking for $12+ million per year, with some writers claiming that he was looking for a two-year, $28 million dollar deal. John Clayton reported that he wanted $14-16 million per year: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3927171&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines).

Warner publicly stated throughout the duration of free agency that he only wanted to play in Arizona. Bartlestein attempted the Boras tactic by shoping his client to other teams, but his signing with San Francisco was never a possibility. In the end, he only got Arizona to $23 million, with a lot of guaranteed money. A great contract.

Here’s why Boras’ contract is better: there was never a serious second contender for Manny Ramirez. There were reports that San Francisco was interested in Ramirez, but nobody in baseball really thinks that they were serious about signing Manny. Teams that needed him — like the Angels or Yankees — never considered the move. There was no second team for Ramirez, the Dodgers were not outbidding anyone, and yet Boras still got $45 million for his client. The Dodgers opened the bidding at this number and were reportedly willing to beat any offer. But there was never another offer to beat. Boras championed Ramirez’ skills, was firm on his market value, and ended up getting Ramirez the money he deserved, despite not competing against a second team.

Other teams would have signed Warner, and were interested in his services, but nobody made a serious bid for Ramirez. Yet, Boras still got $45 million, proving once more why he’s the agent every baseball player wants.

Warner signs for 11.5 M a year and Manny signs for 22.5M a year and Warner gets the better deal?