Comments on: Comparing Corey Hart To Hunter Pence

By: Adam

Adam — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:42:04 +0000

I would pay Hart more based on his role with the team relative to his ASG selection. Ross is far from a poor player, but I feel that Hart can do more in Milwaukee than Ross can do in Florida.
I feel Ross is too streaky to build a lineup around, but Hart is part of a strong core of young players that includes Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun, two of the NL’s most feared offensive players. Ross and Hanley Ramirez cannot match the offensive output of Milwaukee if Jorge Cantu and Dan Uggla cannot consistently perform. In a few years, if the Marlin core is around and players like Chris Coughlan develop into bonafide stars, the Marlins will have a feared lineup and Ross could very well be its centerpiece. Ross has to plate the runs to be successful. Hart needs to be in position to score them and then let the core of the Brewer order take over.

Therefore, I feel that Hart is a more solid choice (despite his inconsistencies) than Ross due to the team around him. They have similar levels of experience at the MLB level, but I feel Hart can be the X factor in Milwaukee’s offense, whereas Ross needs more around him for his history of streakiness to disappear.

By: Darren Heitner

Darren Heitner — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:04:41 +0000

Hart does have the benefit of being an All-Star, but that was in 2008. That should have been considered in the deal he signed last year. His numbers in 2009 don’t make anyone scream “wow”. I would also pay him more than Hermida. Would you pay him more than Ross solely on the basis that Hart has been to an All Star game and Ross has not?

By: Adam

Adam — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:58:58 +0000

Comparing Hart to Hermida, Victorino and Ross

(1) the player’s contribution to the club in terms of performance;
•Hart is a table setter for Milwaukee’s sluggers, Fielder and Braun, not a liability in the field. Strikes out more than he should. Fast, strong, a playmaker on offense.
•Hermida provides pop off the bench but little defensive skill.
•Victorino is a stellar fielder, solid average with a bit of power and good for at least 25 steals a year.
•Ross brings power but lacks consistency. Not a star but can bring much-needed offesne to a power-starved Florida lineup.

(2) the club’s record and its attendance;
•Hart’s Brewers: 80-82, 3rd in NL Central
•Hermida’s Sox: 95-67, Wild Card, 2nd in AL East with sellouts everyday in Boston
•Victorino’s Phils: 93-69, NL East Champion
•Ross’s Marlins: 87-75, 2nd in NL East

(3) any and all of the player’s “special accomplishments,” including All-Star game appearances, awards won, and postseason performance;

•Hart: All-Star
•Hermida: Nothing of note
•Victorino: 1 WS Ring, 1 ASG selection, 2 Gold Gloves, incredible clutch skill during ’08 WS run
•Ross: Nothing of note

(4) the salaries of comparable players

•Hart requesting $4.8M, MIL offered $4.1M
•Hermida signed a 1-yr deal w/ BOS for $3.345M
•Ross filed @ $4.45M – the Marlins @ $4.2M.
•Victorino signed a 3 yr – $22M deal with Philly

Only Victorino and Hart have ASG accolades. Only Victorino has proven playoff success. Hermida will not start for Boston unless injury strikes Drew/Cameron/Ellsbury. Would I pay Hart more than Hermida? In my opinion, yes. Ross? Again, I would say yes. Victorino? No. Should Hart win his arbitration case? That’s for the panel to decide, not me.

By: Ryan Johnson

Ryan Johnson — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:26:47 +0000

Let me clarify, when I said, “If looking at this years class, there are 3 other 4+ OF’s.” I mean who actually filed for arbitration.

By: Darren Heitner

Darren Heitner — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:26:34 +0000

Good point. Apt time for a brush up..

In deciding to award the higher or lower salary, the panel may consider the following criteria:

(1) the player’s contribution to the club in terms of performance and leadership;

(2) the club’s record and its attendance;

(3) any and all of the player’s “special accomplishments,” including All-Star game appearances, awards won, and postseason performance;

(4) the salaries of comparable players in the player’s service-time class and, for players with less than five years of service, the class one year ahead of him.

The parties may not refer to team finances, previous offers made during negotiations, comments from the press or salaries in other sports or occupations.

The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut within 16 days before the season begins, he is entitled only to 30 days’ termination pay. If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins, he is entitled only to 45 days’ termination pay.

By: Ryan Johnson

Ryan Johnson — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:19:10 +0000

Age in not admissable in an MLB arbitration case, thus irrelevant.

By: Ryan Johnson

Ryan Johnson — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:17:34 +0000

Andre Ethier was a Super 2 last year (as a first time arb eligible) and would also be considered comparable as a 2nd time arb eligible. Though Ethier’s season blows Hart’s out of the water.

By: Darren Heitner

Darren Heitner — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:16:44 +0000

Hermida and Hart have similar numbers; however, Hermida is 2 years younger than Hart.

By: Ryan Johnson

Ryan Johnson — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:13:28 +0000

If looking at this years class, there are 3 other 4+ OF’s. Jeremy Hermida, Shane Victorino & Cody Ross. Hermida signed a 1-yr deal w/ BOS for $3.345M, Ross filed @ $4.45M – the Marlins @ $4.2M. Victorino signed a 3 yr – $22M deal with Philly.

By: Darren Heitner

Darren Heitner — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:07:25 +0000

Good point. So who would you use as a reference?